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吉姆（克里斯蒂安·贝尔 Christian Bale 饰）曾经是一名士兵，战场上的残酷经历在他的内心留下了深深的阴影，退伍后，那些沾染了鲜血和暴力的回忆依然不断的在吉姆的脑海中浮现，令他倍感困惑。恐惧和迷惘中，有一个人的存在牢牢的支撑着吉姆免于崩溃，那就是吉姆的女友玛塔（塔米·杜鲁尔 Tammy Trull 饰）。 麦克（弗莱迪·罗德里格兹 Freddy Rodríguez 饰）是吉姆的挚友，最近，他也遇到了麻烦，他深爱的女友西尔维娅想要同他分手，因为在丢了工作又失魂落魄的麦克身上，再也没有西尔维娅想要的东西了。生活的困顿让麦克和吉姆走到了一起，可是，随着时间的推移，越来越大的分歧出现在了两人之间，成为了悲剧的导火索。痴情浪子跳，亲爱的如我们所见海扁王2安娜与国王1999天使曾经来过远去的飞鹰夺魂医生断网海平面上升穿越黑网水月洞天妹妹1995大侦探波洛第九季超级快递呼吸2018法国困兽第二季地狱少女 地獄少女谁人了解我灵魂冲浪人别惹我国语缠绵游戏鱼你相医QQ女人心石纪元省港旗兵2：兵分两路最后一刻搞事警察(美版)第一季辣妹抢银行济公1993绝代双骄电影版降龙大师张三丰电锯惊魂3骡子国语小前提鲤跃龙门悲惨世界2012孽扣谜一样的双眼2009媒运当头排球之花
吉姆（克里斯蒂安·贝尔 Christian Bale 饰）曾经是一名士兵，战场上的残酷经历在他的内心留下了深深的阴影，退伍后，那些沾染了鲜血和暴力的回忆依然不断的在吉姆的脑海中浮现，令他倍感困惑。恐惧和迷惘中，有一个人的存在牢牢的支撑着吉姆免于崩溃，那就是吉姆的女友玛塔（塔米·杜鲁尔 Tammy Trull 饰）。 麦克（弗莱迪·罗德里格兹 Freddy Rodríguez 饰）是吉姆的挚友，最近，他也遇到了麻烦，他深爱的女友西尔维娅想要同他分手，因为在丢了工作又失魂落魄的麦克身上，再也没有西尔维娅想要的东西了。生活的困顿让麦克和吉姆走到了一起，可是，随着时间的推移，越来越大的分歧出现在了两人之间，成为了悲剧的导火索。痴情浪子跳，亲爱的如我们所见海扁王2安娜与国王1999天使曾经来过远去的飞鹰夺魂医生断网海平面上升穿越黑网水月洞天妹妹1995大侦探波洛第九季超级快递呼吸2018法国困兽第二季地狱少女 地獄少女谁人了解我灵魂冲浪人别惹我国语缠绵游戏鱼你相医QQ女人心石纪元省港旗兵2：兵分两路最后一刻搞事警察(美版)第一季辣妹抢银行济公1993绝代双骄电影版降龙大师张三丰电锯惊魂3骡子国语小前提鲤跃龙门悲惨世界2012孽扣谜一样的双眼2009媒运当头排球之花
长篇影评
1 ) 一个人的Harsh Times
杀死好朋友的故事被拍成一个男人自我毁灭的故事。
贝尔强健的体型，脆弱的大脑代表着美国？美国人？
从片头的梦境到求职的遭遇到到哥们的点题（从墨西哥回来哥们分别时的忠告：“你该去看心理医生；你应该去告军队；告那场战争”）。导演不厌其烦的告诉观众：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毁型人格，是国家，军队，政府造成的。
用中国话说是“点背应该怨社会”。导演有点愤青啊！
还有一条脉络是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和过去的女人，现在的女人，包括朋友的女人的结果都是灾难性的。他的这种缺陷光用战争经历来解释有点牵强，最起码阐述的不够。
应该是导演专注于表现男人间的情感。兄弟情，战友的默契，哥们义气。男人间超越利益的那么一点美好的东西。结果却造成了男人的失败。
残酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美国的腐朽让美国长不大？导演也解答不了。（理想国在墨西哥，人间仙境一样的穷乡僻壤）
结尾回家找老婆的桥段我觉得是添足。有制片方审查的影子。主流价值观的强大说明美国人并不觉得生活在 Harsh Times。
贝尔强健的体型，脆弱的大脑代表着美国？美国人？
从片头的梦境到求职的遭遇到到哥们的点题（从墨西哥回来哥们分别时的忠告：“你该去看心理医生；你应该去告军队；告那场战争”）。导演不厌其烦的告诉观众：他的精神心理缺陷，他的自毁型人格，是国家，军队，政府造成的。
用中国话说是“点背应该怨社会”。导演有点愤青啊！
还有一条脉络是主人公在女人方面的不成功，他和过去的女人，现在的女人，包括朋友的女人的结果都是灾难性的。他的这种缺陷光用战争经历来解释有点牵强，最起码阐述的不够。
应该是导演专注于表现男人间的情感。兄弟情，战友的默契，哥们义气。男人间超越利益的那么一点美好的东西。结果却造成了男人的失败。
残酷的青春原因是不成熟。是不是美国的腐朽让美国长不大？导演也解答不了。（理想国在墨西哥，人间仙境一样的穷乡僻壤）
结尾回家找老婆的桥段我觉得是添足。有制片方审查的影子。主流价值观的强大说明美国人并不觉得生活在 Harsh Times。
2 ) 转一个我在IMDB上回的讨论帖
最后一个是我回的，ID“he_lao_liu”。
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by keyzersoze21 5 days ago (Sun Jun 17 2007 17:31:41) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.
"you are the devil, we are the D"
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.
I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.
I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.
But hey to each their own.
I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!
Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
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I cannot agree with you two more...
to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.
to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.
And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.
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I have to disagree with people's complaints about this movie. I can name a few parts where the acting is undeniably good especially in the last half hour. Bale's accent does sound kind of awkward at first but I think that's because it's just another mask like somebody else said, him trying to be someone else. It's also funny that it seems like everyone who actually lives in LA says the accents are spot on and everyone who says it's off doesn't. This movie is brilliant and if you don't like it it's just not for you or you didn't get it but it is by no means a bad movie. Bale's performance may not be flawless like it usually is but altogether he is very believable. It helps if you know people similar to his character but I think alot of us do. I think if you hated it maybe you should give it a second chance.
"you are the devil, we are the D"
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by WarriorSaint 4 days ago (Mon Jun 18 2007 12:53:26) Ignore this User | Report Abuse
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I couldn't agree with you more, my friend.
I live on the outer edge of the ghetto, but not in LA, in the bay area. I still felt that the accents were okay though and that wasn't even my thing. The thing I hated the most is people who seem to have no clue what those areas and the people in them are like. I hear so many people complaining about the choices the characters make, how stupid they are, etc.
I'm like guys, just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks.
But hey to each their own.
I just wanted to compliment you and am glad to see someone GET'S IT!
Kill Pedro....Napoleon Dynamite SUCKED!!!
Re: Argument for people who didn't like. READ
by he_lao_liu 9 minutes ago (Fri Jun 22 2007 22:01:18)
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I cannot agree with you two more...
to WarriorSaint:
I love your "just because YOU and I wouldn't do those kinda things doesnt mean NO ONE ELSE WOULD EITHER...not to mention just because a character is doing something you wouldnt normally do doesnt mean the movie sucks", very very true.
Your attitude about movies is kinda like normal common sense, which every movie viewer should have. But when some people are angry with the movie, they suddenly totally forget their "NORMAL" common sense--they merely want to give vent to their own anger--so they just "UGLY" the movie, this is many many people's doing, I myself have done this kinda things several times (of course, not toward Harsh Times) too. So, in deeper sense, we understand them.
to keyzersoze21:
I totally agree with you except the "a second chance" thing...Everyone has his own taste, feel, sense, etc...In a word, people are different. So there are totally different opinions toward the same movie, this is possible, actually very normal. especially when someone already had a bad expression by the first viewing, a second chance will hardly make any change--maybe just make the expression worse. But nothing is impossible, changes sometimes may happen, I had experienced once.
And about Training Day. Training Day is better in directing, filming and other technical things. But Training Day never tries to really unravel the true and ugly side of life. I very agree that Training Day is a successful commercial movie, but it cannot really touch viewer's heart. Harsh Times, tries to do something deeper. As a first directing film, it has some flaws, but at some points (especially the last half hour), it can make viewer's heart really feel. Anybody feels this would agree this is far more important and precious. So all in all, I like Training Day, but I love Harsh Times.
3 ) Harsh Times
《非常时刻》来自于大卫·艾尔转瞬既逝的疯狂念头：如果把自己的好朋友杀了那该是什么感觉？他沿着这个问题开始思考男性关系的危机，并将之附注实现。《非常时刻》和《训练日》一样是关于两个男人利用暴力来讨论彼此的关系和生存的意义，大卫·艾尔把故事的场景再次设定在他钟爱的洛杉矶南部。克里斯蒂安·贝尔扮演的海豹突击队退役军人和弗雷迪·罗德里格斯扮演的无业青年是一对挚友，两人每日无所事事只是无止境地酗酒、飙车、吸毒，两人就在为前途和爱人寻找方向的时候产生了无法消弭的分歧，最终惨剧发生。大卫·艾尔的独立电影都有着强烈的男子气概，但在《非常时刻》里却加入了至关重要的女性元素，虽然只起到了催化作用，因《绝望主妇》一炮而红的伊娃·朗格里亚给影片的凝重平添活泼的亮色。
4 ) 晦暗的小人物
很真实，也能很残酷。
我不想看这种片子啦。。。总是让我很郁闷。
但是，即使不看，这种故事也在我身边发生。
我不想看这种片子啦。。。总是让我很郁闷。
但是，即使不看，这种故事也在我身边发生。
5 ) 失控
没个战场都有这样的杀人疯子。
看看他们的现实生活吧！有些是他们无法控制的。
有些他们做的并不是自己想做的。
关键是他们无法控制自己。或者没人带他们走出来。
或者说这一切都是政府的错。都是他们灌输了一种错误的理念。
这样的朋友让人恐惧，更让人心碎。
看看他们的现实生活吧！有些是他们无法控制的。
有些他们做的并不是自己想做的。
关键是他们无法控制自己。或者没人带他们走出来。
或者说这一切都是政府的错。都是他们灌输了一种错误的理念。
这样的朋友让人恐惧，更让人心碎。
6 ) 毁灭之路
Bale就适合演这样的狂躁症患者，前一秒钟还好好的。
主角从片头开始就在不停的往毁灭自己的道路上走，一直走。
他自己也知道这一点，看上去他一直就等着结束的一刻来临。
他也想好，但也知道好不了了。
最后一刻，他说出心里话，我死有余辜。
吸引人的是他有一颗纯净的心灵，
他的国外的，破烂而温馨的家就是他心灵的映射。
他不属于这个国家，在这个表面光鲜实际肮脏的国家里，他是十足的弱者，
虽然他无时不刻不在逞强。
一个人的悲惨结局是他个人的悲剧。
一个“想好”的人的悲惨结局是社会的悲剧。
导演是《训练日》的导演，片子不赖，特别是最后，出现了一辆车，能和《训练日》里面丹泽尔的车一样，“升起来”，看来导演喜欢这种东西。
主角从片头开始就在不停的往毁灭自己的道路上走，一直走。
他自己也知道这一点，看上去他一直就等着结束的一刻来临。
他也想好，但也知道好不了了。
最后一刻，他说出心里话，我死有余辜。
吸引人的是他有一颗纯净的心灵，
他的国外的，破烂而温馨的家就是他心灵的映射。
他不属于这个国家，在这个表面光鲜实际肮脏的国家里，他是十足的弱者，
虽然他无时不刻不在逞强。
一个人的悲惨结局是他个人的悲剧。
一个“想好”的人的悲惨结局是社会的悲剧。
导演是《训练日》的导演，片子不赖，特别是最后，出现了一辆车，能和《训练日》里面丹泽尔的车一样，“升起来”，看来导演喜欢这种东西。
not harsh at all
切记，人不能大喜过望，大悲过重！动不动就放纵自己，最终自己走向灭亡！此片是不是告诉我们一个这样的道理！贝尔在里面完全没有感觉，就感觉冲动有余，一到需要表现的时候，镜头就开始晃动，搞不清是不是贝尔同志难以用面部来表达还是导演故意晃动镜头，作为一种拍摄手法呢？剧情基本没有搞懂！
这种脸型＋这种头型＋这种小平头＝要了我的命．穿上白色衬衫更是．．．绝配|| 缺点就是：他实在不像个小混混，穿着衬衫西装更是不像了
纯搞基片...搞基不要脸，最后一段都爱来爱去是怎样！！！
戰爭的傷害!
有人叫好就有人谩骂。虽然我只是为了贝尔，也被内容无聊到了——也许是不理解，但我还是觉得没那么脑残。
满口shit dog……
主旨其实是反映战争后遗症 但节奏太慢 垃圾话太多 战争阴影的影响被墨西哥英语和Eva Parker的身材冲淡了……
话唠片，两个落魄基友找工作，找乐子，找工作，找乐子，工作找到了，麻烦也来了，最后玩火自焚了。贝尔挺适合这样的角色。3.5 分
自作孽，不可活。
For the bitches' ass, for the motherfucker,it's real men's movie.But think about it, don't u never ever lose your mind! U hear me?!
纯爷们的怨妇情结什么真是倒人胃口啊（喂！
Bale是躁郁症角色专业户吗？！
人生不如意事十有八九。但当它们只在瞬间涌来，你是否已有对策？
为什么大男人主义被叫作“沙文猪”，大女人就是“女性主义”？///Christian Bale ♥
'kill me. just pull the fucking gun. come on, I'll do it for you'
一部街头气息十足的讲述战争创伤的电影，开头讲述战场情形那一段搞不清楚导演究竟在用谁的视角，看的人云里雾里的。关于两个男人的故事，让人猜不到下一秒故事会怎样发展，是希望与绝望交织的梦魇。现在看Bale的片子基本已经很免疫了，大兵头型再穿上西装还是很可爱的。最后居然打脸了，罪过罪过。
又是个心理扭曲的CB…演得很过瘾吧你…觉得Freddy Rodriguez 也挺不错～
又是美国那种老一套，不过很吸引人。贝尔演的很好，没想到最后还是挂了。战争后遗症，美好的生活从此破裂，并走向灭亡。双重分裂的性格，让人想起《美国精神病人》。《爆裂鼓手》里面出现的老教授也客串了一个角色。很不错的片子，有点儿意思，三更半夜看起来倍儿爽。
上帝让谁灭亡必先使其疯狂，贝尔成功塑造了这样一个自作孽的角色，对他的西语和脏话我接受无能